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Jed (Co-Founder, COO) May 12, 2011 14:48

Improvements to the 'become a fan' function

Reverb Community,

Today you will notice two improvements to the way the 'become a fan' process works:

1. Where Artists were previously limited to 1,000 total Artists to whom you could 'become a fan', you will no longer be limited. Instead, we have decided to follow the lead of other social sites and limit the # of artists to whom another Artist can 'become a fan' in any given day. This daily limit is currently set at 25 and will be continuously evaluated to determine if it needs to be changed.

2. The 'Fans' section of an Artist profile no longer displays the most recent fans. Instead, it displays a random set of fans. However, clicking on the 'see more' link for fans will still take the user to a page that displays fans, with the default sort being 'most recent'. In other words, locating your most recent fans is just one click away. In addition, we will still be providing you with the small 'nags' that appear at the top of your control room when you login to the site. These will continue to let you know who your most recent fans are.

These improvements were made in response to overwhelming suggestions from our artist community. Removing the 1,000 total favorites limit has been one of our top requested changes.

The change to the way we display fans on the artist profile page was done in response to a very small subset of our users who were abusing this feature by continuously adding and removing themselves as fans of an Artist in an effort to always appear on the Artist's profile page. For those Artists who legitimately want to know who their most recent fans are so that they can thank them for joining, this is still available and just one click away on 'see more'.

I want to thank all of the users of the site who have given the feedback that prompted these improvements. You have been heard, and we will continue to listen.

-Jed Carlson
Co-Founder, COO

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  • I’m irritated
    Gotta say, the new rule in that you have to "fan" someone in order to respond to an email makes the "fan" numbers meaningless! Are people fans because they had to in order to make a polite response or are they really fans of the music? We don't know now and it sort of kills the entire ranking system. Pretty sad, actually.
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    • You already know why, xavier... because major artists have labels and representation and don't need to post on a site where it's mostly just unknown artists fanning up with other unknown artists without even listening to any music.
    • Liam Snickers....xavier..type a band name on the 'browse' any name-Nine inch nails-EXAMPLE! you will see a profile for that band....you will check it out thinking "WOW...NIN IS HERE AWESOME>>>>>COOL< OUTSTANDING!" so you fan hit.
      But little do you realize that, this a is a false rock God you re worshiping. Some other artist created that profile, made it look really professional everything looks like a real deal...then FROM IT....They fan hit their band! So when somebody visits their profile and sees this false profile as a FAN, they believe "o wow! NIN likes them so I should fan hit them!". Well....look at the amount of fans that "NIN" profile has as to the amount the ARTIST REALLY has>>>>the profile is a "decoy"-because John is right major label artists dont have profiles here....they do not need to.
      But you see, if some was to moderate and can see WHO"S EMAIL address that profile came from ...they can track down at least one avenue of cheaters here. The same way they can track down Fan hit generators...If they applied the time to do it..Not knocking RN, but in order to ensure a good line for all of us, even out the playing board. I have heard bands here that have tons of fan hits, I mean like 24,000+ and I listen to thier song, Its some cheap mp3 recording they made from a karaoke machine singing to it-and you can HEAR the singer in the back ground, I am not knocking that someone wants to sing and sing good, I support any musician who wants to play music, I just am not stupid...24,000 plus people did not up and fan hit their profile...they figured out how to do this..... It is not that they have fans...not that i care if I get fans...the only thing is, it unfairly takes away from the true artists who work hard at their talent. If this karaoke lip sync is top chart you are #200, no fan is going to flip directly to your #200 spot...the point is having people hear your music, not charts not score, not anything but JUST HAVING PEOPLE LISTEN to your music. They will lose interest after four or five bands down the list. My prop. to RN was...make a way that any civilian(not only for the armies here) can become your fan-there are pieces of software that recalls the url link a fan sent the hit from and it wont let double, triple-1,000,000 come from a single URL. My street fans I have to explain the process of signing up to be a fan-but I know they wont take the time. more real fans appear on your press kit, this is how a booking agent can see if you can draw a crowd that is profitable to their venue.
      I had a A&R rep fan hit me-and asked me to submit. And you will know when a big wig fan hits you, your chart goes crazy, he/she carries huge fans on their profile-Nit trying to brag, just a example of when a REAL industry person visits your profile. Inside of this long letter is a huge slew of secrets that can get you really high on your city chart...one is FAN HIT as many as you can everywhere. Take a day and just keep fanning, be very nice, compliment them, tell them a part you really like about their music..they will be more than happy to fan you back, also when you get rank, fan hit every band on your list below you, keep your eye out for the new acts and work to be their first fan. Be excellent to each other as put on "bill and Teds excellent adventure."
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  • Dude, the ranking system does not mean anything! Get over it!
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  • I dont care anymore about Reverbnation, i just let it run and use the tools.
    I am on this page now like two years and all this time you see the same 10 Artists on the TOP charts.
    What does that mean ? It's a confusseled stupid charts system for sure !
    I dont know another website on this planet where the same tracks and artists are on the Top Charts over two years....maybe longer, idk really.
    For me this is a NON WORKING system simply.
    Some months ago i thought there is a chance to climb the charts if you invest time here, add other artists, leave comments but that was a wrong thinking.

    "keep smile"
    Sarah ( GoFish Records )
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  • Hey, great is yours. i really appreciate & i promise i we give the best in music..Ai..one love.. 4 the house...
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  • The ranking system may have some meaning, but I am not sure how much. Isn't part of it based on how long songs are played on average and how many songs are played by listeners and ratios of those sorts of things too? If so, just like in the real world, it would mean that those that work hard to get visibility who are also played the longest because they are liked come up the highest. Not a bad measure. The way I see it, the problem with the system is including Facebook friends and weighting that factor too high as many major artists including the ones at the top of reverb have unlimited wallets that buy Facebook friends. Many other "artists" with money do this too. Facebook friend are totally bogus. Some big names have a million and will always be at the top of the reverb charts because of it. It has little to do with how good your music is. It would be interesting to see the rankings if the facebook friends and other external factors were taken out.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Im fighting but i'll make it!
    1-how do I add SPACE MUSIC ?'actually Id like to cancel normal
    Space link since I did'nt know that you can't incorporating it with
    Space music link ?
    2-about mail a note to fans, I did 'nt understood how to fix my filters
    as a result I reach ONE RECIPIENT ?
    3-trying for hours to load my DVD of presentation,but could make it
    very frustrating while, it cost me to get it ,even if its a flop I'll never know.

    Thanks anyway, but dont wait for me with fans in Carnegie hall !

    keep up the good work! without you I ll die exhausted

    ps: plus another pain: my picture won't be included
    too bad that was a funny one...

    with my best regards
    Mama Chriss

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  • THE DEAL to all of this...SOMEBODY created a software program that FAN HITS themselves...THEY"RE able to by some form-facebook, myspace , somehow, are able to crack into and FAN hit them self..I have seen people with one song 100 visits, 30 song plays...BUT 1,000,000+ fan hits...this is absolute bullshiyte. THEY are cheating to be at the top of the chart...for all you musician who work hard spending money on your talent...get nixed by these hackers doing this to you...we can not really stop this. Another thing that SUCKS HORRIBLY...is most of our fan base is other musicians here...because the market we want to hit...they can not fan hit us....and MOST DON'T WANT to join the site to do so...RN needs to start going after these kids with malicious software that fan hit themselves...so US WORKING bands can have a clean scale to present our talent and passion. There are several in my chart...I could send the info..I am a computer guru, I can figure that kind of activity..and IT IS UNFAIR to all you bands...look at their profile, look at how many fan hits, compare to how many visits and song plays...visit their facebook...YOU WILL PLAINLY see that they cheated you, Cheated all of us. START TURNING THEM OVER, you only let them cheat you more if you don't do anything about it. WE NEED to start telling RN to allow the fans to visit us, check us out, fan hit us, I understand the possibilities to cheat in that method...BUT! just take their email address, sign a guest pass, some form of nice polite welcome that registers them being here..SO they can't cheat, but FOR CRYING out loud make it so that the fans can visit and don't have to sign up as a band they dont have...TAKE care of the bands. Figure it this way, RN would like you to buy more features...WELL we can't afford to and we have no real way to get off the ground to make some money to PAY them for these features. IS IT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY or is ALL ABOUT THE ARTIST...you decide. I am going to KEEP AT THE the cheaters here until you guys start getting on to it..I am a electronic/acoustic band...I play acoustic instruments into the computer and arrange...I can figure out the system to midi extremely well...I am a computer guru...I can figure out that people are CHEATING THE EVERLIVING crap out of you hardworking bands on this format.
    • GODDAMNIT! IF I COULD HIT A "LIKE" BUTTON ON THIS, I WOULD CHEAT AND HIT IT A MILLION FUCKING TIMES BECAUDSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! I'VE BEEN ON RN FOR 2 DAYS AND I ALREADY SEE THE PATTERN. OH, THERE'S THIS TOO... PEOPLE ON THE TOP OF THE CHARTS "FAN" NEWBIES SO THEY WILL APPRECIATE THEM AND "FAN" THEM BACK. SO TO AN EXPERIENCED USER WITH 100K FANS, IT WON'T HURT TO BECOME FAN #2 TO A NEWBIES PAGE. IT WON'T ELEVATE THE NEWBIE HIGHER THAN THEM, AND IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO KEEP THEIR 100K FAN BASE GET HIGHER AND HIGHER. IT'S BULLSHIT. THE ONLY WAY TO REACH NUMBER 1 IS IF YOU PUMP A SHIT LOAD OF $$$ INTO THE EXTRA ADD ONS. AND AS FAR AS THE FB FRIENDS, THATS UNFAIR. I HAVE OVER 100 FB FRIENDS BUT MY ACCOUNT ONLY SAYS I HAVE 1 FB FRIEND.
    • haha homie wish i had a budget, but promo's a lot of work on your own hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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  • I couldn't agree more. They should not include fans from Facebook or MySpace or Twitter or plays from outside of reverbnation directly. Anyone can buy those from a whole bunch of different places. We work hard to get artists and fans inside reverbnation to look at our page, and don't buy anything outside of reverb and have still managed to climb up to #66 overall, but it is impossible to climb to the top because we don't and will never cheat. Makes me think we should really be in the top ten. But, alas, we are starving artists.
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  • BUT...The real implication is...as I am at #15, there are several that just stay up at the top on my chart. Just like you at #66 and can not get higher, because these others cheat..plain and simple. And when there is a appearance of fans from out side, natural instinct is...check out the fist band on the chart, perhaps several more down the llst, then lose interest and move on to the next chart...MEANWHILE a real hard working band, who dropped all their money and time and love of music, college, school the whole nine, never even gets a single play. I am quite sure that the 100 thousand other bands here couldn't agree more. I can go to the profile and PLAINLY see the result of the cheater...100 plays to me =the time it took to set up the profile and check out the song...and 30 plays must have been the first few hits from when they first opened a profile......but....1,000,000 fan hits??????????- off of 100 visits and 30 plays-then on to their myspace and facebook right from RN and sure as shyite, no real fans from those media forums either.... I would be up for some freebies of services.hence press kit and so forth...to purge some of these. Like monitor, really that's what we need to be protected from this type of harassment. Some body who HEARS our music and awards it appropriately and can see the band profile, determining if it legit or if it is spam. I already figured out that bands create profiles of famous musicians-Like Lady Gaga and then from that profile they created...they fan hit their real band profile...to the regular fan...it looks like they are that popular or great-try that, go to the browse-type in Lady Gaga, something like five six profiles show up...reminds me of that game on tv back in the 70's" Will the real lady Gaga please stand up!" What a way to cheat-..LOL Same thing with a possible venue, from the press kits...naturally inclined to go for the poser...Lady Gaga-All the stars never undercut like the rep goes-I guess I Just use her as a example, but the true artists didnt go around cheating-the labels may have, the artist just played music. I don't even have time to waste to do stuff like that, I am so busy working my instruments, drum sets, guitar riffs keyboard sections, dealing with all the midi equipment, tech situations that arise, i have no time to cheat any one-LOL> BUt I know that with a few bucks one can buy a laptop and a get a arranging looping situation and mix someones music-well I guess my gripe is I would be willing to shell out more for more features, but would really throwing money at the deal change the cheaters? A good software writer can solve that, a plugin that could prevent auto hit generators to not be accepted. I sneakily tried that-just to see and get the skinny on how it can be done-but I didn't cheat myself. Of course my first day on, some producer wanted me to BUY some hoaky deal of I PAY HIM to feature my music Poze Productions/I played into it some just to revel more understanding-to that I am featuring my own bands now and I sell directly to Amazon-i am not ripping off bands-that is my answer to that. Buying drumbeats???? DUDE if you read my profile-I am a professional drummer-I can out pound your silly drum machine in a heart beat-i get that action also someone wanting me to buy-how about buying my tracks? Most likely they downloaded someones music and morphed it and try resell it..I studied electronic music since the 70's-these people are not pulling any joke on a dude who wrote the book on electronic synthesis.
    Then I was given flack-my music I didnt play---cause it came out of my computer- an not a song writer- so my answer was- I just created a classical profile where I play full concert piano, making sure that I left background noises in the song-SO THESE people can hear what a real concert pianist sounds like-and how I play my keyboards so well- I am almost at the top of that chart also now-most rocker wouldn't have any clue as how your picked apart by classical fans if you don't play Toccota and Fugue right, and I went stage by myself playing that. but of the fairness of game here-my first band was a straight punk rock band-where we put our foot down on the unfair treatment of others-this is my offer of raising the ethics...I hate seeing that some young teen trying to sport his/her talent be squandered by someone who cheats then-cheating a teen age kid-how low can they go? Some say I should just let it go---but really-they would have nothing still be living in a cave banging on logs if somebody didnt have the drive to stand up for the tribe
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  • What is your Revernation name? Everyone in the top 20 has at least 1 million fans (most of them bought I assume). You said you were #15? If so, you must have bought some too. We are #66 overall out of 1.7 million and I believe one of only 3 or 4 in the top 100 who have not bought their way there. No matter. We just keep playing our music and fanning people on reverb hoping they will give us a listen. We can't afford to be #1. People will always try to find ways around the system, but letting them buy their way in is outrageous and makes Reverb look bad. I love Reverb, but they really need to deal with this in a responsible way.
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  • www.reverbnation.com/insidiousini....or WilliamLCarmanJr classical/Phoenix az
    I did not buy a single fan...I tried the fan reach...yeay, got just a few...I really dont care as for myself, but What I am wanting to do is promote those bands out there who dont have the ability to make a mp3 to put on RN...I am not in it for the money...Producers dont bring on acts to charge them...They bring in to promote because they know they are a good act. I am 15 at 194 fan hits....because I am supposing the activity...fans that probably have no intention of signing up to be a band just want to fan me. Cause really if I was just a guy who wanted to listen to cool music...I wouldn't want to sign up to some profile. I didn't buy anything, I am a artist and stand for the artist getting paid for the hard work, not the other way around paying snakes to get heard...if ever. EVERY SINGLE fan I have is from my music playing and THAT ONLY.
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  • Well, there are 1.7 million artists, and who knows how many fans on reverbnation, so to get anyone's attention you have to go out and fan or friend other people to get them to even know you are there and listen to you. That is the reality of it. It's kind of like the real world in some ways. You go out and try to get people's attention, then the music speaks for itself, or doesn't. My issue with Reverb is that some of us work hard to get fans by working the site to get attention and putting together the best music we can for folks to listen to, just like people do in the real world; but others buy their way in with facebook fans. That's just not right, has nothing to do with the music, and needs to stop.
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  • Well, what is your RN site...I will send you fan also...that is what i do to get attention..be cool with other groups. I will draw attention to you guys. Peace.
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  • i DONT KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE HIRING INTERNS WHO JUST DONT GIVE A DAMNED BUT WHEN WE TAKE OUR TIME TO FAN AND BE FANNED BACK WE EXPECT TO BE COUNTED AND ON TIME. tHIS HAS BECOME REALLY FRUSTRATING AND JUST PLAIN OLD NOT WORTH IT! YOU SAID YOU MADE IMPROVEMENTS BUT WHERE IS IT!
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  • I think that you make it to dificult to bcome some one fan to meny steps one mus take it is ridiculos it make you not want to be a fan is just to much work
    your music store is also ridiculos what is the Deal wit the T shirt the store needs better apearrance tell wy does some one have to pay for every thing first the Artist want to see if they can sell enything before Updating you need to do some work and your so call free store make it look moor professional please for free if you smart if we sell you make mony also so wy give usch ugly store ......maiby you shood give me a Job to give you suggestion that is wy myspace is going down they downt Listen to there members
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  • I’m still laughing!
    Davilmar Biggs,

    Thanks for a HUGE laugh! Let me get this straight... you are too lazy to click through a couple of prompts to help promote your music and you're asking for a job!?

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    Let's be honest: your spelling and grammar completely suck and you're admittedly too lazy to lift a finger (and click with it)...

    You should probably stick with manual labor...
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  • I’m pissed off
    I've been working my ass off since we started this Reverbnation in July, networking and spreading the name of my band. I just got through manually contacting 60 Bands/Fans in order to spread the word and generate Fans/numbers on my site. I got 1 new fan for all of my trouble!! There is a noticeble difference that begins right about the time RN Started "working on a new way to get more fans". As a result our Band Equity is DOWN 39 points today for the first time since Jul,y and our chart position is next right? So WHAT'[S UP?!?!
    • Personally, I'm getting burned out that almost all new fan requests come from other artists these days. So many are mediocre, that I am gradually ignoring them, more and more.

      This "fan me and I'll fan you" mentality first started with MP3.com back at the turn of the century, and it's the main reason that mainstream music business types started thinking MP3.com was a total joke, and that our standings (like Equity) were meaningless.

      I've discovered two ways to build my equity on here when I'm truly willing to do some hard and painful work:

      1. Offering free downloads. About every ten days to two weeks I offer a free download through MySpace, Twitter, Facebook profile, Facebook page, etc. I leave it up for three to five days, then take it down and start the whole process over again after a few days off. I use the single song share link, and remove the Facebook player (which has been having glitches) from the post. That way, the link drives traffic to R.N., even if they don't end up downloading.

      2. About every three months I do a Facebook ads campaign. I've only done that for about a year now, but it's helped raise my mostly international fan base from around 150 people (likes on my music page) to over 800 now. I can't afford a lot, so I don't do much of this. However, a little goes a long way.

      Best of luck to you.
    • Hell On Wheels, if by "working my ass off" you mean manually contacting fans in hopes of a reciprocal fan-ship ... you've actually been spamming your ass off...and maybe even pissed some people off in the process. Many people are onto this technique of falsely bloating numbers and they won't even bother to click your link. Congrats on the 1 out 60; that's 1 more than I would've suspected! That technique is designed to bloat an ego, not to give any valid numbers...

      About equity: if RN had targeted you and you alone for an equity hit, then you'd have something to complain about,... but I'm willing to bet that's not what happened here. More likely, everyone's equity went down proportionally. If so, there's not really an issue -- the playing field is the same, even if you feel a little smaller on it. Start getting your eggs into more baskets and you'll have better results. This site is just another link in the chain of promotion, it's not the be-all, end-all...
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  • Haha before the 'improvements', we were able to get about 1000 fans, 4000 visits, and 1200 plays PER DAY! Now, maybe 25 fans, 50 visits, 400 plays. But then, they discovered they were paying too much in ad share revenues, so they put a clamp on our activities. Now, you have to pay, for such promotion.
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  • Kill this thread already. Surely, Jed, you realize by now that nothing more will come of it but flaming and complaining.

    And now streaming music in the thread?! Wow, some of these people are really getting desparate...
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  • aound 1200 plays and "0" listeners today..
    Band Score moved down today around 350 points.
    Something went wrong i think, on the stats page i see only red cubes now.

    Over months my Youtube friend score is wrong.

    Reverbnation is just to much conneted to Facebook, this is why the charts are wrong.
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  • I was wondering if this also applied to became a friend? because I dont actually add artist add actually fans through became a friend. Why do artist count as fans because their not fans or atleast 99.9% will never buy my songs or album so why do they count? Why don't fans from reverbnation count 1000 fold? isn't it the point that you want people to come and be part of reverbnation?
    • Other artists shouldn't count as fans? Are you freaking kidding me? I know commercially it might not mean much but as an artist it means ten times as much when someone who actually knows something about making music likes hat you do...least lucrative yet most meaningful of all fans are other artists.
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  • I’m pissed off
    Fuck this Bullshit. Spotify.
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  • Candy hits me up on tha emailing all DAY$$$$$
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  • Man, let there be love...love is the pillar of the world. Jah guide.
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  • I’m frustrated
    More and more and more and still everything becomes less. Reverbnation seems to be desperately seeking for new ways all the time, but never seems to have a clue that this is about artists trying to promote and sell their music, not about how to look slick and artist friendly, coz by now I realized, Reverbnation is not doing it for us at all. It is a nice extra page as long as you are not paying, since it is not worth the money. I quitted my payments for no other reason than their bad changes and so called messages passing to the developers after which you never hear of it again. Nope, reverbnation has the policy to collect money, no matter what. Facebook, reverbnation and many others out there on the net have the simple dream of becoming rich with as little as possible efford... Well, I ain't paying one cent for that, until they become a real support for the indie's here again...
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  • Hi All at Reverbnation I've had a messgae saying i have exceeded fan reaching contact ( rate limit exceeded ) i did not know there was such a limit as i am only trying to build up our fan base for JAH NATION does this mean that i can no longer contact people !!! I can understand why such rules are in place but it would be nice to have a pre warning so we don't mistake abuse for genuine bands like ourselves trying to get up our fan base
    Look Forward to your reply and Reverbnation is the best thing that's happened in years Thank you for a wonderful service
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